Keio University

Yoshinori Horii: Carrying on the Tradition of Sarashina Soba and Being Selected as a "Contemporary Master Craftsman"

Participant Profile

  • Yoshinori Horii

    Other : President and CEO of Sarashina Horii, 9th Generation ProprietorFaculty of Letters Graduated

    Keio University alumni (1984, Faculty of Letters). After graduation, he joined the family business, Sarashina Horii, and began making soba. Together with his father, he revived the shop that had once closed down and elevated it to a renowned soba establishment.

    Yoshinori Horii

    Other : President and CEO of Sarashina Horii, 9th Generation ProprietorFaculty of Letters Graduated

    Keio University alumni (1984, Faculty of Letters). After graduation, he joined the family business, Sarashina Horii, and began making soba. Together with his father, he revived the shop that had once closed down and elevated it to a renowned soba establishment.

  • Interviewer: Masatoshi Nara

    Faculty of Letters ProfessorGraduate School of Letters Chairperson

    Interviewer: Masatoshi Nara

    Faculty of Letters ProfessorGraduate School of Letters Chairperson

2025/02/14

The History of "Sarashina Horii"

──Mr. Horii, you were selected as one of the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare's "Outstanding Skilled Workers" (commonly known as "Contemporary Master Craftsmen") for the 2024 fiscal year. First of all, congratulations on your award. How do you feel about it?

Horii

Thank you very much. The "Master Craftsman" award is typically given to artisans who have supported a craft, like someone in a kimono shop who has spent their whole life dedicated to dyeing. I took over the family business right after graduating from university and entered the workshop to hone our family's soba-making techniques. So, while I am the president now, in a sense, I have a very strong artisan side. Having that recognized feels like a reward for my life's work, and I am very happy.

──I heard you are the first recipient from a Tokyo soba shop. The award was for your achievement in "pursuing the possibilities of soba while cherishing the traditions of Edo soba." Could you tell us about the history of Sarashina Horii and the traditions of Sarashina soba?

Horii

The founding of "Sarashina Horii" dates back to the first year of the Kansei era (1789). Originally, our ancestor, who traveled between Shinshu and Edo as a cloth peddler, was said to be very skilled at making soba. Then, Danjo Hoshina, the lord of Shinshu, suggested that since the Hoshina family's upper residence was in Azabu, he should come to Edo and open a soba shop. That was the beginning.

We took the "Sara" from Sarashina District in Shinshu and the "Shina" from the Hoshina name, and started in Azabu-juban under the name "Shinshu Sarashina Soba-dokoro."

Because the lord was our sponsor, we had many connections, and it seems he introduced us to high-ranking customers, including the Shogun's family. A lord wouldn't walk through a shop curtain to eat. Therefore, all the soba was delivered to the residences. For delivery soba, if it's dark soba like mori soba, it has a lot of protein and becomes sticky and clumps together. So, we milled the flour and sifted it through a fine sieve to provide white soba.

──So that's why Sarashina soba is white.

Horii

That's right. Furthermore, in the Meiji era, the fourth generation decided to "make it even whiter" and changed the sifting and milling methods for Sarashina. He then collaborated with a company called Ishimori Seifun, with whom we still have a relationship today, to create "Sarashina flour."

At a time when mori soba was 15 sen, it was sold for 1 yen, so it was a very high-end product. In today's terms, if mori soba is 500 yen, it would be like selling it for 3,000 or 4,000 yen. But thanks to the connections from the Edo period, it seems to have been well-received by the nobility and others. We would deliver 400 or 500 portions for garden parties, and it became quite popular during the Meiji period.

From Closure to Revival

──The high-end strategy was a success.

Horii

Moreover, because it could be easily loosened even after being boiled and left for a while, it could be transported long distances, so business was booming. However, when a business goes well, a prodigal son often appears, and the person who was my grandfather was a real playboy (laughs). He had two Leica cameras, and according to my grandmother, he would come to the shop with a woman, take the shop's money, and go straight to Atami by taxi. In addition, the bank he had invested in went bankrupt during the depression, and the shop was forced to close once in 1941.

However, because it was a famous shop, after the war, the local people of Azabu-juban said, "Let's definitely rebuild it," and provided funds to revive it as "Nagasaka Sarashina," which is still in the middle of the shopping district today. My grandfather joined that shop, and my father also joined in 1960 after graduating from university. It was the period of high economic growth, and they were mass-producing and selling to department stores.

But even though it was thriving, my father began to think, "Wasn't our family's soba even more delicious?" He wanted to revive it once more as a family business, as Horii's soba, and make the truly delicious soba from the old days. So, in 1984, the year I graduated from university, he opened an independent shop at our current location.

──So you made a fresh start from there.

Horii

But because "Nagasaka Sarashina" already existed, we didn't sell well at all at first. However, we discovered that the shops that had branched off from us and become independent before the war still retained traditional Edomae techniques, such as traditional hand-kneading and how to make the broth. We went there to learn again and gradually got the shop in order.

What my father and I did was like a return to our roots; as an antithesis to mass production, we tried to revive the old ways of working. We put in the extra effort to bring back the self-milling from the Edo period, simmered the sauce for a long time, used a water bath, and unearthed techniques that were about to disappear to revive Edomae soba. I think that's what was recognized.

──That's a wonderful story. I thought Sarashina soba was born simply because it was white and beautiful, but there were more practical requirements.

Horii

Of course, I think there was an element of elegance, but the production method was complex and expensive, so commoners wouldn't buy it. However, because of the connections with the lords, there were customers who would order it.

──The time you spent at "Tsukiji Sarashina no Sato" in Tsukiji was to master those traditional skills, wasn't it?

Horii

Yes. I went to train there and at "Nunotsune Sarashina" in Omori Kaigan.

Studying Philosophy and Training in Soba Making

──I was an Ethics major and you were a Major in Philosophy in the same year. You took over the family business right after graduation and built up the shop with your father. What were your feelings when you took over the family business?

Horii

I did consider staying for graduate school. Professor Natsuo Mikumo even asked me, "What are you going to do?" I also had a desire to study more practical subjects like economics or getting an MBA in the US.

While I was wavering, my father told me, "You're the ninth generation, so you have a mission," and I think that made me reconsider, thinking, "Maybe I have a value in existing here too."

──It's a time when you have many dreams. When your father said, "Because you're the ninth generation," was what you felt a sense of mission to carry on this history?

Horii

At that time, that might have been all I felt. I suppose I had a sense of pride in being born into such a family and being the ninth generation. After all, we were reviving a shop that was once called a famous establishment. Being born into such a house might have become a part of my identity.

──What are your memories of being a student in the Major in Philosophy at Keio?

Horii

I think I read quite a lot of books. My graduation thesis was on Descartes, so I read things like "Meditations" until the book was literally falling apart, and I think I read Husserl quite thoroughly as well.

I have very fond memories of holed up in the library, enjoying reading books. I still read philosophy books today. I finished re-reading all of Bergson by last year.

──Why Bergson again? Is it French philosophy after all?

Horii

I like Bergson. I really like Hideo Kobayashi, and I'm quite fond of French philosophy like Alain and Valéry. People who played an instrument as students are on a completely different level even later in life, right? It's the same as that; I think having read philosophy books as a student is like a special skill of mine.

──In that sense, philosophy is a subject you can engage with for a lifetime. And the way you perceive it changes with each age and era.

Horii

It does change, doesn't it? I think being in an environment where I could read such philosophy books for four years is a great treasure.

──In the past, things were more relaxed compared to now; they left things to the students' initiative, gave us anything if we were interested, and even waited until we became interested.
Since graduating, are there times when you think, "Keio is really great"?

Horii

I certainly feel the strength of the connections when doing business. There are really many Keio people among those in long-established businesses, and there is definitely a sense of being able to open up to each other from the first time we meet.

I'm also a member of a group of long-established shops called the "Toto Noren-kai," and it's full of Keio people from places like Eitaro Sohonpo and Yamamoto Noriten. So, there's a sense of being able to fit right in.

──Also, on February 3rd, the anniversary of Yukichi Fukuzawa's death, many people associated with Keio visit his grave at Azabusan Zenpuku-ji Temple, and at lunchtime, there seems to be a route where they say, "Now, let's go to Sarashina Horii in Azabu-juban."

Horii

That's right. Since around the time of President Torii, they have been coming consistently. Mr. Torii used to come to our shop regularly, and the previous President, Mr. Haseyama, has also been coming for a long time. He sits in the narrowest spot in the back, and I think, "Is it okay to confine the President to such a small space?" (laughs). I'm always happy when Keio people come.

Things That Change, Things That Don't

──In the Reiwa era, have taste preferences or the customer base changed?

Horii

First, the ingredients change. The soy sauce from when I started and the soy sauce today have different levels of mellowness and umami. Old soy sauce would turn black immediately if left on the table, wouldn't it? But if I added sugar the same way as before, the sauce would become incredibly sweet. That's because the umami in soy sauce has become stronger.

Also, when I was young, I couldn't imagine having tea in a vending machine. In the past, sweet things were a treat, and people wouldn't spend money on anything other than sweet things like Cheerio or Cola in vending machines. I think the whole world was oriented toward sweet things, an era where people wanted to consume calories.

But now, people don't have that same preference for sweet things. The world's sense of taste is changing. I probably inherited my own sense of taste from my father. There is a core to it, but there are parts where doing things exactly like my father did won't work. So, against my internal standard of "delicious," the ingredients have changed and my body has changed, so I think it's about adjusting to that.

Therefore, my son, who is growing up with my sauce, will probably change the taste of the sauce in ten years. Even if the central part is inherited from our ancestors, I think there are parts that we change more and more to suit the times.

──So there are things that don't change and things that change with the times.

Horii

Since we have continued for nine generations, I think there is a core part. However, while using that as a standard, I think we change the taste more and more to suit the times, like saying, "Let's make it a little sweeter based on this."

──I see. What you just said also applies to how one lives their life.

The Challenge of Taking the Taste of Edo Overseas

──Speaking of "pursuing the possibilities of soba," you have done many things. For example, you participated in the 2015 Milan Expo and even had a shop in New York for a while.
Now, Washoku (Japanese cuisine) is being re-evaluated as a UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage, but you have been working to spread it to the world for over ten years.

Horii

The first trigger for the overseas spread of Washoku was in 2010, when a Japanese food festival called "Foods of Japan" was held at the CIA (Culinary Institute of America) in the US. Over 30 chefs specializing in Japanese cuisine, French, sushi, soba, tempura, and more went from Japan.

People like Kiyomi Mikuni, Yukio Hattori, and Hiroo Rikiishi were there, and a Washoku team was formed. From there, we all lobbied the government, which led to the movement to register Washoku as a cultural heritage. Then, in 2015, Washoku was registered as a World Intangible Cultural Heritage.

──When I heard that you went to the Milan Expo to make soba, I thought it was an amazing story.

Horii

That team was also at the center of it. Since it was a food expo, it felt like we were trying to convey it to the people of the world.

──What is soba like for people overseas?

Horii

It feels like it's still a bit behind compared to sushi and ramen. One of the charms of soba is slurping it, but people overseas often find it difficult to slurp, and they are not yet as familiar with buckwheat as a grain compared to wheat.

However, buckwheat itself is gluten-free and highly nutritious. My son (Yoshimitsu Horii, 2016 SFC) was in Professor Yoko Hasebe's seminar while at Keio and was planting buckwheat in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Apparently, it bore fruit and they were able to harvest it. The high infant mortality rate in Central Africa is due to a lack of protein and vitamin B1, and buckwheat can supplement that. Moreover, it grows in three months and can grow even in poor soil, which is the strength of buckwheat.

──That's incredible.

Horii

Buckwheat is highly nutritious and grows even in barren land, so while soba as a noodle is attractive, I think there is potential in the crop itself.

In Pursuit of the Possibilities of Soba

──That's an interesting story. People are very health-conscious these days, and you are now offering vegan menus at your shop.

Horii

That's right. I was originally interested in veganism, and a company called Fuji Oil developed a technology called MIRACORE that creates a bonito-flavored extract by combining only plant-based ingredients. This works well even with something as concentrated as soba sauce.

Edo-style sauce involves simmering bonito flakes, but vegetable broths were thin, and until now, we couldn't make a concentrated sauce like soba sauce. However, by learning about MIRACORE, I encountered something and thought, "This is what I was looking for." After all, if you have an awareness of a problem within yourself, an encounter that provides a hint makes you think, "I can incorporate this." I think this is something I noticed precisely because I delved deep into Edomae techniques.

Mikio Sakai (1983, Faculty of Commerce), the president of the Fuji Oil Group, is also a Keio senior one year ahead of me, and we provided soba with that sauce at the Rengo Mita-kai Convention.

──I see, so you are pursuing the possibilities of soba in various ways. Do you have many inbound tourists now?

Horii

Quite a lot. At our main shop, inbound tourists currently account for 5% of sales. Even before COVID-19, we were introduced in videos overseas and people came often. I think the fact that it's an area with many embassies also plays a role.

──Is there anything you want to challenge yourself with in the future?

Horii

Not just soba, but in the food and beverage industry itself, there are parts where young people are still hesitant to enter. I hope that by being in the spotlight as a "Master Craftsman," it becomes an industry where people think, "Being a soba shop owner is interesting."

I hope they see it as "business-wise interesting" not just for the techniques, but also for expanding overseas and the vegan or gluten-free aspects.

I want to pass on the things I've learned that I think "might become seeds for the future" to the next generation, saying, "This looks interesting, why don't you give it a try?"

──The word "leader" appears in "The Mission of Keio University." From your story, I strongly felt the spirit and pride of challenging something new and leading the way. I truly think you have become an amazing person, Mr. Horii. Thank you for a very meaningful conversation today.

(Recorded on December 24, 2024, at the Mita Campus)

*Affiliations and titles are as of the time of publication.