Keio University

Haruka Tono: Winning the 163rd Akutagawa Prize

Participant Profile

  • Haruka Tono

    Other : NovelistFaculty of Law Graduate

    Keio University alumni (2014, Faculty of Law). Debuted in 2019 after winning the 56th Bungei Prize for "Kairyo" (Improvement). Won the 163rd Akutagawa Prize in the first half of 2020 for "Hakyoku" (Breakup).

    Haruka Tono

    Other : NovelistFaculty of Law Graduate

    Keio University alumni (2014, Faculty of Law). Debuted in 2019 after winning the 56th Bungei Prize for "Kairyo" (Improvement). Won the 163rd Akutagawa Prize in the first half of 2020 for "Hakyoku" (Breakup).

  • Interviewer: Shiro Yamauchi

    Faculty of Letters Professor, Major in Ethics

    Interviewer: Shiro Yamauchi

    Faculty of Letters Professor, Major in Ethics

2020/12/21

Memories of Campus During Student Days

—Congratulations on winning the Akutagawa Prize. Your winning work, "Hakyoku," features the university as a setting, but first, I would like to ask how you spent your time as a Keio students at the Hiyoshi Campus and Mita Campus. Places like "Gintama" in front of Hiyoshi Station also appeared in the book.

Tono

When I was at the Hiyoshi Campus, I was in a light music club and played in a band. I didn't go as far as composing my own music; it was more like playing covers of existing songs and enjoying live performances with friends. In my first and second years, I devoted quite a bit of time to music.

—What instrument did you play in the band?

Tono

The guitar. I didn't get good at all, so I quit after about two years.

I had friends living in Hiyoshi and would stay over at their places, so I have memories of spending a lot of time there. I often walked around "Hiyoura" (the area behind Hiyoshi Station). I also attended classes fairly regularly, so I had many opportunities to go to campus.

—How were your legal studies?

Tono

I didn't dislike studying law, but to be honest, I found it quite difficult. Up until high school, I could do reasonably well without trying too hard, but many of the law lectures at university were things I couldn't understand just by listening once. I only began to understand after teaching each other among friends, so it felt quite challenging.

—Were you already writing novels while at Hiyoshi?

Tono

I wasn't actually writing while at Hiyoshi, but I was taking classes in the Faculty of Letters, including one taught jointly by Professor Hiroshi Muto and Professor Motoaki Sato. There, we read Mariko Asabuki's novels and wrote our impressions, listened to the professors' thoughts, and I believe there was even an opportunity to act out a scene from a novel.

My interest in literature and novels grew due to the influence of those classes at Hiyoshi. I also remember a time when Haruki Murakami's novels were featured. Until then, I hadn't really read works referred to as "pure literature," so that was the first time I read such works properly. Looking back, I feel it was one of the catalysts that led to my later writing.

Influence from Haruki Murakami and Natsume Soseki

—Have you been significantly influenced by Haruki Murakami?

Tono

I don't feel I've been influenced that much, but I think it was one of the triggers that made me think, "Reading novels is interesting."

—The charming character Akari in "Hakyoku" reminded me of "Norwegian Wood." Not that they are similar, but I felt a connection in the imagery.

Tono

Oh, I see. Regarding Haruki Murakami, I thought the way "The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle" begins is very good. It starts with an everyday scene of boiling pasta, and then suddenly a mysterious phone call comes in. It makes you curious about what will happen next and keeps you reading. I feel I learned the art of "grabbing" the reader at the beginning from "The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle."

—In a dialogue in "Bungei" (Winter 2020 issue), you mentioned Natsume Soseki's "Kokoro." Were you significantly influenced by Soseki?

Tono

I wasn't exactly a devoted reader. When I decided to try writing a novel, I wanted a reference or a model. I read various things to see whose writing style felt most natural to me, and as a result, Natsume Soseki's writing seemed the most—how should I put it—free of quirks.

I decided to use it as a model and try writing various things by arranging it in my own way. So, rather than being deeply moved by the content, it was more that I used it as a major reference for the style of writing.

—Soseki's "Light and Dark" has a lot of dialogue and moves the plot forward through speech alone. I feel your novels also have parts where the story develops through continuous dialogue.

Tono

Actually, I haven't read "Light and Dark." I don't have a conscious intention to move the story forward through dialogue, but I suppose I like having characters speak long lines. I write them because it's fun to write.

Writing in the Mita Library

—Was it after you came to Mita that you decided to use Natsume Soseki as a stylistic model?

Tono

Yes. I found a complete set of Soseki's works in the Mita Library, and while picking them out and reading them, I thought, "I'll use this as a reference." During my time as a student, I wrote most often in the Mita Library. The third or fourth basement floor is very calming.

It's very suitable for studying or doing any kind of work. Since the complete works of Soseki and other books are right there, I could use them as references. That library was a wonderful environment.

—Is that when you started writing novels?

Tono

Yes. In my third year of university. I had finished taking most of my credits, so I had some free time. When I thought about doing something new, I thought, "Well, maybe I'll try writing a novel."

—Writing a novel seems like it would be hard to start without a psychological hurdle, a resolution, or some kind of event as a trigger. What was the catalyst for you?

Tono

I'm often asked that, but nothing in particular comes to mind. I didn't feel much of a hurdle regarding writing novels. On the contrary, compared to other forms of expression like painting or music, it seemed like something I could do right away. I've been reading and writing all my life, so for me, it was more like I started writing novels because the hurdle was low.

—So, there wasn't anything particularly dramatic?

Tono

There wasn't any particular trigger. When I had time and wanted to start something new, a novel was the easiest thing to start. At first, I might have had a lighthearted attitude toward it.

—What type of novelist do you consider yourself to be?

Tono

First, I think I'm the type who writes a fairly solid plot. I write a plot—a blueprint—that is about the same length as the novel itself. Once that's done, I feel I just have to write according to it.

So writing the plot is the hardest part, and once that's finished, the actual writing is like a task or a process.

On "Nihilism"

—I'd like to delve a bit into the content of your novels. In the dialogue in "Bungei," your father (musician Atsushi Sakurai) made a comment about "a refreshing sense of void." I also wrote in a book review for the Yomiuri Shimbun that it was a "bright, dry nihilism," but I thought it was different from ordinary nihilism.

Since your works often describe sexual desires and the like, for a moment I wondered if I should read them from the perspective of a priest listening to a confession of sins, but that's not it, is it?

Tono

It's not like that.

—I thought that sexual desire is by no means the theme, but rather a way of maintaining distance from the world. I felt that the way you keep that distance is dry, which leads to a brightness that isn't gloomy. Soseki isn't gloomy either.

Tono

It's true that people have been calling it nihilism since right after my debut, but I don't really recognize it myself, and I still don't quite understand it. Regarding the distance from the world, people often say I'm "looking at things from a bird's-eye view" or "looking at things with detachment." I suppose that might be true.

Hearing you speak, I just realized for the first time that maybe I was drawn to Soseki as a model because of his dryness. I certainly don't like "damp" or overly emotional writing.

—In "Hakyoku," there is an image of a crash at the end, like a car windshield shattering, but I felt that cracks appear in the ordinary everyday scenes leading up to it. For example, while eating steak, news about a sexual crime suddenly comes on the TV.

I suspect it's different from the idea that it's nihilism because it breaks down instead of having a happy ending.

Tono

I feel that's somehow different. I don't think nihilism is about the result. I think I consciously write about various things intruding into everyday scenes.

—I don't mean to force a generational theory, but as the first Akutagawa Prize winner born in the Heisei era, I'd like to hear your thoughts on your view of the future and nihilism.

Tono

In the first place, I don't write thinking it's nihilism, so it's difficult to state my thoughts on nihilism. As for the future, how should I put it—I don't have much hope. I don't feel like life is going to get richer; if anything, I feel like it's going to get more and more suffocating.

—Through middle school, high school, and university, did you not feel that a bright future was waiting for you?

Tono

That's right. Basically, I didn't like school very much, so I wanted to get out of there as soon as possible. I feel like I don't get along with people who like school. University is different, though.

In elementary school and such, you had to listen to what the teachers said, and I hated that. I was very bad at doing things exactly as I was told.

—Does that mean you weren't very interested in sharing trends with peers of your generation?

Tono

Well, even though I disliked it, I had a minimum level of social skills. I watched the TV everyone else was watching and joined clubs, so I think I managed to blend in. However, if you ask whether I liked it or disliked it, I disliked it.

The Path to the Award

—What time of day do you write?

Tono

At night and on weekends. I never pull all-nighters, and I don't stay up very late. I go to bed around midnight. Recently, interviews have increased, so I haven't been able to take much time, and my third work isn't progressing as I'd like.

—Will you finish the third work after the new year?

Tono

I hope to have it out by the end of January. But I also think there's no need to force it to be on time. It would be bad if I released something mediocre because of that.

—Did you decide during your university days that you wanted to keep writing novels for a long time?

Tono

It wasn't like I'd be satisfied after writing one or two works. Including those that weren't published after failing to win newcomer awards, I've written eight works now. The fact that I've continued that much must mean something—that it suits me, I guess.

—Do you have plans to release the things you wrote before?

Tono

I'm not considering that. After all, I think there's a reason why they failed, so I can't use them as they are. If I were to use them, I'd have to rewrite them significantly, but I think it would probably be faster to create something from scratch.

Occasionally there are things where I think, "Only this idea is interesting," so I might extract just that part and use it.

—When you wrote "Kairyo," which won the Bungei Prize, did you feel like "this might work"?

Tono

I had a good feeling even before that, so it wasn't that "Kairyo" was special. Every time, I submitted what I thought was interesting, but the fact that it wasn't easily recognized was actually what didn't sit right with me. I don't think "Kairyo" is particularly superior.

—How about in the case of "Hakyoku"?

Tono

For "Hakyoku," I had debuted and an editor was assigned to me, so I think that made it better. Compared to writing alone, blindly not knowing what is interesting, I was able to write with more confidence. Also, I think I was able to add more substance to "Hakyoku" than "Kairyo," and I think that was good.

I believe there are limits to a single person's ability, and you shouldn't trust it too much. That's why I want to make great use of the opinions of my editor and other reliable readers around me.

Emerging Gender Awareness

—Your father is also a musician, but do you feel you've been influenced by him in fundamental ways, such as your worldview or outlook on life?

Tono

Basically, I think I've hardly been influenced at all. Starting music wasn't particularly due to my father's influence, and neither was starting to write novels. We only started keeping in touch recently.

—Is that so? There is also the question of whether the values of fatherhood or masculinity are good. I felt that you have a perspective that is different from the framework of the male-dominated society of the current generation. Do you have any thoughts on issues of gender or feminism?

Tono

Something I feel I shouldn't forget, or rather something I want to keep in mind, is that among women, there are those who feel threatened or uncomfortable just by a man standing nearby. I think that kind of thing came out in my work.

—I felt that in the way the woman named Maiko in "Hakyoku" is strongly involved in society and is clear in her self-assertion.

Tono

Yes. I feel like the division of gender roles should be dismantled. I think I probably have that kind of awareness, and it appeared in the novel in this form. Of course, a novel is not a tool for conveying my ideology or awareness of issues.

—In "Kairyo," you wrote about the desire of the cross-dressing protagonist to become beautiful. Was this also written with an awareness of gender issues?

Tono

Rather than writing with a conscious intent, I think I have an awareness of such things in my daily life, and that seeped into the work.

—It was very interesting to hear about the behind-the-scenes of your writing. I have great expectations for your future success. Thank you very much for today.

(Recorded on November 1, 2020)

*Affiliations and titles are as of the time of publication.