Keio University

Let's Knit!

Publish: December 25, 2025

Participant Profile

  • Nobuaki Seto

    Other : President of Nihon Vogue Co., Ltd.Faculty of Economics Graduate

    Graduated from Keio University Faculty of Economics in 1976. Under the motto "Happy Life through Handmade," he develops publishing, education, and craft stores for handcrafts, including knitting.

    Nobuaki Seto

    Other : President of Nihon Vogue Co., Ltd.Faculty of Economics Graduate

    Graduated from Keio University Faculty of Economics in 1976. Under the motto "Happy Life through Handmade," he develops publishing, education, and craft stores for handcrafts, including knitting.

  • Tatsuya Yokoyama

    Other : Knitting ArtistOther : NovelistOther : Representative of NPO LIFE KNITFaculty of Law Graduate

    Graduated from Keio University Faculty of Law in 1998 and completed the Master's program at the Graduate School of Law in 2000. Won the Japan Historical and Period Fiction Writers Association Award for Best New Paperback Original for the period novel "Amimono Zamurai" (The Knitting Samurai).

    Tatsuya Yokoyama

    Other : Knitting ArtistOther : NovelistOther : Representative of NPO LIFE KNITFaculty of Law Graduate

    Graduated from Keio University Faculty of Law in 1998 and completed the Master's program at the Graduate School of Law in 2000. Won the Japan Historical and Period Fiction Writers Association Award for Best New Paperback Original for the period novel "Amimono Zamurai" (The Knitting Samurai).

  • Hana Said

    Other : Knit DesignerFaculty of Letters Graduate

    Graduated from Keio University Faculty of Letters in 2017. Studied Art History at Paris 1 Panthéon-Sorbonne University while enrolled. Influenced by her grandmother, who knitted sweaters for her every year, she has been familiar with knitting since elementary school. Author of "Kimawashi Knit" (Versatile Knits).

    Hana Said

    Other : Knit DesignerFaculty of Letters Graduate

    Graduated from Keio University Faculty of Letters in 2017. Studied Art History at Paris 1 Panthéon-Sorbonne University while enrolled. Influenced by her grandmother, who knitted sweaters for her every year, she has been familiar with knitting since elementary school. Author of "Kimawashi Knit" (Versatile Knits).

"Knitting is Not a Craft"

Seto

While I was a student at Keio, I was a member of the Athletic Association Golf Team. I was so dedicated that I even became a representative for the Japan-US intercollegiate matches, but after much hesitation, I joined Nihon Vogue, which my predecessor had started, two years after graduation. Since I came from a sports background, I was naturally completely clueless about knitting at first. I was very bewildered in a company full of women, but since then, I have gained experience and have been blessed with encounters with knitting teachers to get to where I am today.

The peak of knitting was in 1961 when the Japan Knitting Culture Association was established, and the number of members reached about 100,000. Handicrafts were also booming at the time, and the Japan Handicraft Instructors' Association was formed in 1969.

In 2015, these were integrated to become the Japan Handicraft Instructors' Association (now a public interest incorporated foundation). At that time, the knitting teachers told me, "Knitting is not a craft; it is a clothing culture." Indeed, even if you just say 'knitting,' there are many incredible techniques. I truly felt that everyone aiming to become an instructor takes pride in honing their skills.

Hana

What kind of activities does the association do?

Seto

We created a certification system based on the hand-knitting Academic Advisory Board system. We opened schools with basic, advanced, and instructor courses. It progresses through instructor, associate master, and master levels, and it takes about five years to complete all the courses. It's a world unlike any other handmade craft.

Yokoyama

The 1960s and 70s were a "knitting boom," weren't they? What was the excitement like back then?

Seto

I wouldn't go so far as to call it a status symbol, but being able to knit was an important point for personal appeal. Our company published many collections of knitting works, and they all sold very well. There were many types and manufacturers of yarn, too.

1967 was an epoch-making year in the post-war knitting boom. From that year onwards, knitting classes became incredibly popular. As the number of working people gradually increased, they could no longer attend classes. So, when we started correspondence education for knitting in 1967, it became a huge hit in '68 and '69.

It was a system where people would mail in what they knitted at home, and a teacher would correct it and send it back. The total number of students reached one million.

Hana

One million students is an incredible amount of passion. Works must have been sent from all over Japan.

Seto

That's right. There were so many that the Koishikawa Post Office at the time told us to please stop. The number of employees also jumped by about 80 all at once.

The Reiwa Knitting Boom is Here

Seto

Every year, we use the Nihon Vogue building to hold a yarn market for knitting enthusiasts called "Itoma." About 2,000 people visit over two days, and the energy is incredible. About 30 booths sell unique yarns and such, and we can't fit all the customers in unless we make it by reservation only.

Hana

Is that what's happening!

Yokoyama

I also served as the MC for the live stream at the venue and witnessed the strong bond of the knitting community firsthand. Moreover, by streaming the live event on the internet, this excitement has begun to reach young people. The age group participating in the event has changed significantly, and people in their 30s and 40s who have started catching onto the information are coming.

Seto

This community feels different from other handmade crafts. It seems that knitting fans can spend the whole day together even if they remain silent (laughs).

Hana

I understand that very well.

Yokoyama

Even if it's not as big as it used to be, I feel that a knitting boom is visiting us again. Hana-san, do you ever feel the excitement?

Hana

Looking at social media, lately there's a lot of excitement around how easily, cheaply, and cutely you can knit items. Yarn from 100-yen shops is so popular that it apparently sells out. For things like making small pouches, it seems more people are watching videos and trying it out rather than studying from books.

Seto

That's the exact opposite of the old days when it was something you learned in a classroom.

Hana

Previously, hand-knitted items were featured as slow fashion on an evening news program. At that time, I vaguely felt that "maybe a knitting boom is coming."

Knit the Clothes You Want to Wear Yourself

Yokoyama

What made you start knitting, Hana-san?

Hana

It was the influence of my grandmother, who was good at knitting. During my student days when I wanted to be fashionable but had no money, I started getting into knitting garments, thinking, "I can just knit the designs I like myself!"

Yokoyama

That's basically the same as during the boom in the 1970s.

Hana

When I started, the knits by knit designer Mariko Mikuni were very popular. I thought, "I can knit something this stylish," and I knitted while looking at Ms. Mikuni's books.

Yokoyama

The knit you're wearing is lovely with the embroidery.

Hana

I knitted in traditional Palestinian embroidery motifs from my father's homeland. Since this embroidery is cross-stitch, it's easy to reproduce even in knitting.

Yokoyama

I run a small-scale online salon, and one of the participating members is a man named Yuki Fujita, who developed an app called "Knitting Counter."

Hana

I've used "Knitting Counter" too!

Yokoyama

This app is used by tapping after knitting one row, allowing you to record numbers you might otherwise forget as a memo, but it actually counts how many times it has been tapped worldwide. Of course, it's limited to people using the app, but it allows us to estimate how much knitting is being done globally. Since last August, the number of taps per month has reportedly reached five times what it was before. In other words, five times as much knitting is being done.

Hana

That much!

Yokoyama

After that, one might expect the number of taps to drop during the warmer seasons, but that degree doesn't seem to change. Both the number of installs and active users are maintaining the same five-fold increase, so even though these are figures observed from a single app, I think we can already call it a boom.

A Circle of Knitting Connected by Books

Hana

In the world of knitting, various books are published regardless of the season. I also published "Kimawashi Knit" (Versatile Knits) in 2022.

Yokoyama

How did you come to publish a book?

Hana

I made ZINEs through self-publishing in 2018 and 2019. I had friends act as models and photographers for items I designed and knitted myself, and I also drew the knitting charts. Looking back now, there are some mistakes, but when they were finished, I sent them to publishers and yarn manufacturers. I even sent one to Nihon Vogue.

Seto

Is that so!?

Hana

After that, it caught the eye of an editor at another publisher, and that's how it came to be published.

Yokoyama

I also made a knitting ZINE before. When there was a specialty yarn shop called Keito operated by Nihon Vogue in Asakusabashi, a staff member who saw it asked me to be a workshop instructor.

Seto

In 2020, a book called "The Power of Knitting" was released. A Japanese version has also been released with the title "Amu koto wa chikara."

Yokoyama

It's a book that views knitting as an expression of a social movement, and it became a big topic. I was surprised that a knitting book was published by Iwanami Shoten, rather than a handicraft specialty publisher like Nihon Vogue, and became a topic of conversation involving other fields as well.

The Era When Knitting Machines Sold Like Hotcakes

Hana

Do you also knit, Seto-san?

Seto

No, I'm like the dyer who wears white trousers. Although I did study a little when I joined the company, thinking it would be bad if I didn't know anything.

Yokoyama

Who taught you back then?

Seto

The employees. Everyone was like a teacher. They even taught me how to use a knitting machine.

Hana

I've never touched a knitting machine.

Yokoyama

I had been touching them since before I could remember. In home knitting machine techniques, there's an operation called "tappi-gaeshi" where you turn a purl stitch into a knit stitch, and it seems I used to play by doing that when I was little.

Hana

What do you mean by "it seems"?

Yokoyama

Because I was at an age before I could remember. When I started knitting, I was somehow used to handling yarn and needles, so when I asked my mother, she said, "That's because you used to do it when you were little" (laughs).

Seto

Until around 1960, a knitting machine was one of the items in a bridal trousseau. One million units were sold annually. There was once enough demand that even Toyota made knitting machines.

Yokoyama

Knitting machines were also lined up in knitting classes.

Hana

Can you do things with a machine that you can't do with hand-knitting?

Yokoyama

There are advantages, such as being able to knit faster than by hand, but I think there are pros and cons. Knitting machines have their own culture, and I've heard that people who could use the machines honed their skills in that particular field.

The reason knitting culture spread so rapidly in post-war Japan was probably because there was an awareness of making one's own clothes amidst a shortage of goods. That's likely why knitting machines became explosively popular. However, home machines have constraints, such as only being able to knit in flat pieces. So, I see it as hand-knitting becoming more popular as a hobby because it's more free.

Seto

Is the qualification you have, Yokoyama-san, the "Hand-knitting Master" from the Japan Handicraft Instructors' Association?

Yokoyama

No, my qualification is "Professional."

Seto

No, my qualification is "Professional."

Seto

Do you feel differently when knitting with a machine versus hand-knitting?

Yokoyama

I haven't touched a knitting machine since I grew up, but it seems they are different. In the early 1990s when I was a high school student, knitting machine courses in classes had become scarce, but it seems the number of people doing it is increasing a bit again now.

The Mindfulness of Knitting

Yokoyama

Hand-knitting may have remained because there was a part of the knitting process that served as a source of emotional support.

Seto

It's probably one of the effects of what is recently called "digital detox." Speaking of emotional support, the teachers from our knitting classes visited areas affected by the Great Hanshin-Awaji Earthquake and the Great East Japan Earthquake to hold knitting classes. Many disaster victims participated and told us, "I'm glad I had knitting. If I didn't, my heart would have broken."

Yokoyama

I think knitting has that aspect to it. It might be true for handcrafts in general, but when you focus on knitting, you can forget about the unpleasant things in your daily life.

Hana

I agree completely.

Yokoyama

My mother was one of the people who started a project to travel around the areas affected by the Great East Japan Earthquake as a knitting instructor.

Immediately after the earthquake, many teachers went as volunteers, but over the course of about five years, the numbers dwindled, and it seems my mother was the only one left doing the activity she started. That's when she contacted me, and the two of us, parent and child, ended up visiting temporary housing and schools in Minamisoma City. We spent a week traveling around various places, and when it was time to return to Tokyo, a person who was a community leader there told my mother, "Right after the earthquake, I thought, 'Why do knitting at a time like this...?' but it was a huge help."

Actually, although I knew about the "power to heal the heart" that knitting possesses, I was skeptical about how much it would resonate until I heard those words. It was such a terrible disaster, such terrible damage. But hearing a survivor say that from the bottom of their heart at that time, I was shocked: "The 'power of knitting' can reach people even in a situation like this!" Since then, I decided to seriously commit to spreading knitting culture.

Knitting is Making a Tube

Seto

I once went to Canada to meet the Cowichan people, who are famous for Cowichan sweaters. Cowichan sweaters are open-front, aren't they?

Hana

There is a specific shape that comes to mind when you think of a Cowichan sweater.

Seto

When they make an open-front cardigan, they first knit a pullover (the type you pull over your head) and then cut the front with scissors.

Hana

I've never tried cutting a knit, but British Fair Isle sweaters are the same, aren't they? I've heard that sometimes they knit in a tube and then cut the sleeves.

Seto

That's right. Using scissors is logical in a way, but it's absolutely unthinkable in Japan (laughs).

Yokoyama

When you study traditional sweater construction, it mostly boils down to joining three "tubes"—the torso and two arms. Knitting is probably almost the only way to create a fabric in a tubular shape from the start. Woven fabrics are all flat, but knitting can be made as a ring, a tube, from the beginning. Based on that shape, you could say knitting is specialized for "wrapping."

Seto

Socks are the same way.

Yokoyama

In 2002, when I was a graduate student, I published a book through the Japan Knitting Culture Association called "Traditional Knits: The Mysterious Things Within 'Handmade Items'." In this book, I researched and wrote various stories related to five types of traditional knitting—Guernsey, Aran, Cowichan, Lopi, and Fair Isle. Like Cowichan sweaters, most traditional sweaters are knitted in the round, which is a contrast to how traditional Japanese clothing (Wafuku) is made entirely with flat cutting.

The True Value of Well-Used Knits

Seto

Our company houses various vintage knits, but it's said that for Aran knits, which are rooted in the Aran Islands of Ireland, there are almost no people left who can knit them now.

Yokoyama

It seems the number of knitters has decreased significantly.

Seto

Knitting used to be called a "cottage industry." It means an industry operated on a small scale, like in a cottage.

Yokoyama

Traditional knits like Aran knits were made as a form of domestic industry, weren't they?

Seto

Yes. Aran knits are also known as fisherman's sweaters, and the patterns knitted into them carry various meanings. The knits I saw on Guernsey and Jersey also had crests representing family lineages. I heard that if a wearer was lost at sea and died, their origin could be identified by those patterns.

Yokoyama

There probably was that aspect to it. However, I wonder if we should take it all at face value. Because if you knit something yourself, you can recognize it just by looking at it.

Some people say, "It's a story added for marketing strategy." I don't think we need to look at everything that way, so I just keep it in mind as "that might have happened too."

Hana

True, you can recognize your own knitting.

Seto

Well, maybe so. In the past, they were strictly cold-weather gear. They used oily, water-repellent yarn, and the fashion element wasn't as strong as it is now.

Yokoyama

Speaking of authentic fisherman's sweaters, they are heavy and stiff. A characteristic is that as they get sprayed with seawater, the texture becomes closer and closer to felt.

Hana

It's cool how they get tougher the more you use them.

Seto

They've fallen out of favor as fashion because they're too heavy and tiring for everyday wear, though.

Yokoyama

If you actually try wearing one, you'll understand the greatness of felt. Felt coats are mainly worn by ethnic minorities in Mongolia and Siberia, and it's said that even in extreme cold, if you lay down a mouton rug and wear a felt coat, you won't freeze to death while sleeping.

What's surprising is that despite having such high heat retention, they are comfortable. I was allowed to try one on in June, and because the fabric was so thick, I initially declined, but I was told, "If you're into knitting, you absolutely must wear this." And when I actually put it on, it didn't feel unpleasant at all.

Hana

Wool felt, right? I'd like to try wearing that too.

The Yarn Rhapsody that Resonated in the Showa Era

Seto

Speaking of hand-knitting, it was very popular in Japan in the 1970s and 80s. After that, around 1990, apparel manufacturers saw that and began producing hand-knit sweaters in China, making them available at low prices. What was unfortunate was that the value of hand-knitting changed completely from that point on.

I was working hard in sales in the 80s, and at that time, the yarn for a single garment cost 10,000 yen. This was an era when a salaryman's starting salary was less than 100,000 yen. Even so, everyone bought yarn and knitted for themselves.

However, from the 90s onward, ready-made Chinese products became available for about 1,980 yen per garment, and the value of hand-knitting plummeted. Before that, the popularity of yarn was incredible. We also imported Cowichan yarn and sold it for over 10,000 yen per pack, and the 5,000 packs we bought in Canada sold out in no time.

Hana

Buying yarn and knitting it yourself is fundamentally different in purpose from the period shortly after the war when people knitted because it was a necessity for living.

Seto

Yes, it's completely the world of hobbies. That's why there were many works with wonderful designs, and elaborate construction became the added value. In an era before 100-yen shops, yarn cost at least 300 yen per ball, and high-quality ones were around 1,200 yen. We also handled cashmere and alpaca yarn.

Yokoyama

It was an era when people who thought "I want to wear something like this" made it themselves. Nowadays, you can easily buy cable-knit sweaters like Aran knits in stores if you're not picky about quality, but back then, they weren't something you could get easily.

Seto

That's right. Precisely because it was that kind of era, knitting books from that time feature many works with wonderful designs.

Hana

When I flip through old knitting books, I can really feel how the design was the added value. I feel the passion of the people who spent money on yarn to create something from scratch.

Seto

In the 1980s, I visited almost every European yarn manufacturer for sourcing. Unfortunately, most of them are gone now, but I saw various yarns in France, Switzerland, Italy, and the UK. The textures differed by country and region, but because they dyed using hard water over there, the yarn colors tended to bleed easily when washed.

Yokoyama

Now, the situation in Europe has become strict due to SDGs legislation. They even look at the environment in which the sheep are raised. Manufacturers and ranches that cannot maintain an environment above a certain standard face penalties, so it seems tough for both.

Changing the Knitting Method Changes the Finish

Yokoyama

Hana-san, what do you find enjoyable about knitting?

Hana

Recently, I've been immersed in creating knitting charts and written patterns. For "Kimawashi Knit," a professional drew them up based on my notes, but I started because I wanted to be able to spread my own designs along with the instructions myself.

I love the time spent knitting so much that I can get lost even in simple stockinette stitch, and I used to be bad at making charts, but now that I've taken it on seriously, I'm finding it quite fun. I'm also trying the top-down method, which is popular overseas, where you start knitting from the shoulders and neck.

In the bottom-up method, you have to do shoulder seaming (knitting the back and front pieces together at the shoulder), but I've realized that with top-down, while there's no seaming work, the shoulder design becomes crucial.

Yokoyama

That's very true.

Hana

Changing the knitting method significantly changes the atmosphere of the finished piece. Top-down is difficult until you get used to it, but there's an interest in trying things you don't know.

Why Call it a "Sweater"?

Yokoyama

By the way, in Japan we call it a "sweater," but the term used overseas is "pullover," isn't it? The word "sweater" exists, but knitting people mostly use "pullover." Hana-san, you spent some time in France; how was it there?

Hana

In France, it's "pull." They don't call it a "sweater."

Yokoyama

That's interesting. The name "pullover" has a nuance of stretching and shrinking, so it describes knitting itself very well.

Hana

The name represents the action.

Yokoyama

When I looked it up, a theory came up that "sweater" originated from American football players using them to sweat and lose weight, but I wonder if that's true...

Hana

Eh, that changes the image a bit (laughs).

Yokoyama

It seems "sweatshirt" similarly originates from clothing for exercising and sweating. But that's the English-speaking term; as Hana-san says, the name for a sweater in France is "pull." This "pull" is short for pullover, so I wonder if pullover came first. I feel like the French term might have started being used earlier.

Hana

Did knitting originate in the UK?

Yokoyama

Tracing back the origins, it seems to be Egypt. However, it seems difficult to confirm whether the techniques of that time are directly connected to the modern day.

Looking at Style Books

Seto

Knitting books remain popular today, but during the hand-knitting boom of the 1970s and 80s, many style books were published. Overseas brands also put effort into hand-knitting yarn, and even Yves Saint Laurent brand yarn was sold.

Hana

It's hard to imagine now, but such an era existed.

Seto

Yarn manufacturers also actively promoted fashionable styles through publications as a strategy to sell their products. We also worked hard to come up with designs that met the needs of those manufacturers and created books.

Hana

Are all the works featured in the style books hand-knitted?

Seto

Until the 80s, when knitting machines were popular, many collections of machine-knitted works were also published. There's an interesting anecdote from that time. A very popular knit designer, Rieko Togawa, appeared on a Hong Kong TV show, and two days later, several people were seen walking around town wearing the same knit she had been wearing. They must have liked what Ms. Togawa was wearing and knitted it themselves after watching the show.

Hana

You mean they knitted it in two days? That's incredible speed.

Yokoyama

They probably copy it by eye.

People from the generation who were my mother's teachers could apparently grasp everything, like the sense of size, just by a quick glance. It's surprising because they say many people could knit without even taking measurements. It sounds like a tall tale, but apparently there were people who achieved precision in knitting techniques down to the millimeter.

Seto

The argument that "knitting is not a handicraft" is likely based on the high level of skill involved.

Yokoyama

For those who say that, they might view it as a "craft." There was a time when you couldn't enter a restaurant wearing knitwear, and my grandmother's generation said they made many knit suits to raise the social status of knitting.

Hana

(Looking at the paper) There were stockinette stitch shoulder pads. They are very cute, but did they also knit things to be tucked inside jackets?

Yokoyama

That's right. Making suits out of knitwear was also a trend.

Seto

You'd be surprised if you saw group photos from old meetings of the Japan Knitting Culture Association. Everyone is pictured in knit suits in hotel banquet halls.

Hana

That's wonderful!

Yokoyama

Teachers in the past used to look very sharp in knits. Nowadays, you don't see knit suits much at all.

Hana

True. My impression is that I've seen them in old books. I think things like Chanel-style tweed are lovely.

Knitting as a Part of Life

Yokoyama

Previously, during the COVID-19 pandemic, a movie called "The School of Housewives" became a hot topic. It's a documentary about a housekeeping school in Iceland where, for example, making strawberry jam starts with going to pick the ingredients. Of course, you can also learn handicrafts.

What I found interesting was that the Icelandic Minister for the Environment at the time of filming was a graduate of this school. He appears in the film and says in an interview, "My grandmother and mother both did handicrafts at home, so I love this kind of thing," and at the end, he says something like, "Everyone says various difficult things (about social issues), but the SDGs are right here." I was struck by the fact that a politician would have such a perspective.

Seto

Maybe Nihon Vogue should try starting a school like that.

Yokoyama

I would love for you to do it. Knitting is one of the elements that makes up a life.

Seto

You're right. Let's hold a screening.

Yokoyama

Actually, I am currently serializing a novel set in Japan with the theme of "living." In the world of Zen, manual labor is considered training and is called "Samu." I am writing about this Samu every month in the Soto Zen monthly magazine "Zen no Tomo" under the title "Ritsu's Way of Tea."

Samu refers to things like cleaning or preparing meals during training, but that's basically what living is, isn't it? In the story, I am calling for us to once again do for ourselves the things we let go of due to modernization, including knitting.

Seto

That's unique. So that's why the clothes worn during Samu are called "Samue."

Yokoyama

Exactly. Monks also have the task of sewing their surplices (kesa), which is also a form of Samu. Handicrafts are a part of life.

Hana

I see.

Yokoyama

It is said that monks may have been the originators of patchwork. People who entered the priesthood sewed together unnecessary scraps of cloth to make surplices called "Funzoue." Knitting is certainly booming online now, but on the other hand, it is also a real thing related to living. I want young people who have taken the trouble to start knitting to be interested in both.

Knitting is Pulling Yarn Through a Loop

Seto

Even with the knitting boom, there are still people who give up. For those people, I recently republished a book called "First Steps: I Can Knit!" which was originally published in 2013. I also made it so that you can watch video content via a code at the end of the book.

Yokoyama

That's very supportive. Some people who are knitting for the first time feel the hurdle is high, so it's appreciated.

Hana

That's true. Some people say knitting garments seems difficult. That might be why it's popular to start knitting simple things with yarn from 100-yen shops.

Seto

Knitting has the advantage that even if you make a mistake, you can easily unravel it.

Hana

But for a complete beginner, I'm sure even making the first cast-on isn't easy. Movements are awkward at first, aren't they?

Seto

That can't be helped (laughs).

Hana

With a little practice, your body movements become smoother. I think that's the first hurdle.

Yokoyama

When you boil it down, knitting is nothing more than pulling yarn through a loop of yarn.

Hana

Exactly. It's just variations of how you pull it through.

Yokoyama

What should beginners start knitting? I once held a workshop for beginners to knit mushroom-shaped charms, but that's not very common (laughs).

Seto

How about a smartphone case?

Hana

A knit hat?

Yokoyama

Hasn't a scarf always been popular?

Seto

I used to have them knitted for me often when I was a student (laughs).

Yokoyama

I also think the first step shouldn't be something specific. In the past, there were teachers who taught with the feeling of just playing with yarn. However, those methods weren't adopted into the certification system.

Seto

Without systematization, it wasn't possible to create a curriculum for instructors. While that has helped expand the reach of knitting, there are people who don't fit into this system.

Yokoyama

Since knitting is just passing yarn through a loop and pulling, I think it's fine to have instruction where people just do that for an hour. Teachers of my grandmother's generation had their own self-taught ways of knitting. When you actually try knitting that way, it's sometimes easier than the method you were taught. I think either is fine, but I believe some techniques are lost through systematization.

Hana

By being taught a "correct method," people end up assuming everything else is a mistake, right?

Yokoyama

Exactly. But there is no single right answer. To put it simply, as long as you can knit it, it's fine.

Seto

It's difficult. When you have people gather in a classroom to teach, things don't progress unless you decide "this is the correct way to knit."

Let's Knit More Freely!

Yokoyama

Before COVID, I used to hold ongoing workshops with the theme of "freely knitting mushroom-shaped works." It was a gathering of over a dozen people, from beginners to veterans and even master teachers, but many voices would say, "Teacher, it's hard to be told to knit freely."

However, I would just say, "It's okay because if you pull yarn through a loop, it becomes knitting! What you're doing now is the right answer," and I made sure they really knitted freely. Then, even the master teachers and veterans said, "It's been a long time since knitting was this fun," and they were delighted. And that wasn't just once or twice.

Hana

That's wonderful.

Yokoyama

While the creation of rules helped knitting spread and allowed everyone to knit high-level items, the sense of excitement might have decreased. I want to spread knitting along with that sense of fun.

Hana

Things you can do with a "just do it" attitude when starting self-taught might feel like there's no other way once you're taught properly in a classroom.

Yokoyama

On the other hand, I think young people who start from videos are more free. It might be more suited to the times for everyone to find things online that make them think, "This might work. I want to try making it."

Seto

But what should people who started from videos without knowing the basics do if they want to make something more elaborate?

Yokoyama

That bridge is missing.

Seto

This is a conservative opinion, but in that case, I think it's better to study the basics in a classroom. Even if you're self-taught, the basics are important, so I don't think you'll get better unless you master them. It would be a shame if you hit a wall halfway through and ended up thinking, "I guess this is it," wouldn't it?

Yokoyama

That's true. By the way, in the US, there is a bridge between the real world and online. There are communities where knitting enthusiasts can gather locally, and online, everyone exchanges information on a site called "Ravelry." That coordination seems to be working well.

I want to contribute to those areas as well. While enjoying entertainment like "Knitting Samurai," I want the distance between people who are close to the real world and those close to the online world to naturally decrease. I would be happy if we could create a situation where it's easier for people who have never tried it to start knitting.

Hana

I'm the type who started because there was something I intensely wanted to knit from the beginning. I had an impulse like, "It would be so cute if I could make a sweater like this, I absolutely want to knit it," and although it took a long time, I was able to knit it. Similarly, I believe there must be people who will work hard to knit if they feel they want to make something. There's the "this might work" entry point, but there's also the "it looks hard but I absolutely want to do it" entry point, so I'd love for people to give it a try if they find a design they like.

(Recorded on October 16, 2025, at Nihon Vogue)

*Affiliations and titles are as of the time of publication.

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