Participant Profile
Emi Kusano
Other : ArtistFaculty of Environment and Information Studies GraduatedKeio University alumni (2015, Faculty of Policy Management). She releases NFT art and photographic works using the latest technologies such as generative AI. She also develops many collaborations.
Emi Kusano
Other : ArtistFaculty of Environment and Information Studies GraduatedKeio University alumni (2015, Faculty of Policy Management). She releases NFT art and photographic works using the latest technologies such as generative AI. She also develops many collaborations.
Interviewer: Natsumi Araki
Other : Associate Professor, Department of Intermedia Art, Faculty of Fine Arts, Tokyo University of the ArtsKeio University alumni
Interviewer: Natsumi Araki
Other : Associate Professor, Department of Intermedia Art, Faculty of Fine Arts, Tokyo University of the ArtsKeio University alumni
2024/04/15
A Place Where Interesting Creators Gather
──Ms. Kusano, you also come to Tokyo University of the Arts (Geidai), where I teach, as a part-time lecturer in the Design Department. What kind of things do you teach?
I have been invited to Geidai since 2019, and I give lectures on AI and NFT (Non-Fungible Token) art. Geidai students are quick to absorb information, but many still have prejudices against AI, and fewer than 10% had ever touched Stable Diffusion or Midjourney (generative AI drawing apps). However, when we invited AI experts for discussions, the prejudices were removed, and everyone was soon able to master them.
──Ms. Kusano, you release NFT art works. What kind of possibilities do you see in them?
As a place for expression, one of the communities that people currently find most interesting is the world of NFT art. When discussing what is innovative about NFTs, the technology is often discussed first, such as "it can prove that it is the real thing," but I don't think that resonates with people.
In essence, what is innovative is that the cause of supporting artists had an incredibly good compatibility with blockchain technology, and that a new market and culture are being born from it. That is the most interesting part.
It feels like the early days of the internet or when social media first appeared—a sense that "the world might change." People with an innovator's temperament are gathering from all over the world, and new experiments are beginning on how to utilize this technology.
Even if you just say "NFT art," it is very multifaceted. It can be used like crowdfunding, it can be a ticket to a digital community, and it has aspects like a fashion item. Everyone is bringing their various cultures together and experimenting.
──I definitely want students to try that as well.
When people talk about NFT art, only the high-priced items attract attention, but there are many artists who put their art works on the blockchain on a small scale, such as one work a month, and make a living with a small collector base. Like potters, they create works diligently every day, sometimes hold real exhibitions, and are economically independent.
──Geidai doesn't have a place to teach the possibilities for becoming economically independent, so I feel a gap with the real situation around you, Ms. Kusano.
Christie's and Sotheby's are also putting effort into NFT art, and the act of releasing works written in code on the blockchain, called "generative art," is increasingly being viewed as the artist's concept itself. Networks with museum curators are also being born. It is sometimes said that AI art and NFT art are not art, but in art history, such things have remained. I think art has the nature of expanding its meaning according to the times. I take pride in being at the forefront of contemporary art.
What is Generative Art?
──What kind of thing is generative art?
There are various definitions, but "generative art" mainly refers to art works generated using computational processes such as algorithms and machine learning. It is a field that has existed for a long time, but with the advent of NFTs in particular, the concepts of scarcity and ownership of generative art have been strengthened, and it is attracting great attention in the art market.
Art Blocks is a platform that is attracting particular attention within generative art, using blockchain technology to create unique and scarce art works. There are many high-priced works, such as Dmitri Cherniak's
Actually, from that platform, I released my first generative work,
The charm of generative art is that by entrusting it to a machine, elements emerge that you cannot predict. The production of
──That's interesting. It seems like it would be fun to let visitors at museums and galleries touch it freely.
I would like to try that. Last year, when I released a photographic work called
Influence from Magical Girl Culture
──Many girls appear in your works, and I feel something like female solidarity. Do you have an awareness of wanting to empower women?
I love Japanese subculture and pop culture, and I have used these as motifs. Works with anime motifs are popular now, but I feel that many are from a male perspective.
Looking at these works now, I feel that the imposition of gender roles is strong. I feel that from overseas works like Barbie and Disney Princesses as well, but the fact that few people analyze and communicate Japanese culture from this perspective may be why elements of female empowerment can be felt in my work.
In Japanese cyberpunk anime, there are many works I adore, such as "Ghost in the Shell" and "Evangelion." However, in many works, women with strong agency are not often depicted.
──You are re-experiencing an era that you didn't actually experience yourself through videos and magazines.
I have a personality that is attracted to eras before I was born, and I feel that pre-internet culture in particular was largely created by mass media.
When I was in kindergarten, Amurer and Shinorer were popular, but there are countless such influencers now, and the culture where everyone mimics the fashion of a single icon is disappearing. The consumption of young people is leaning toward information. Within that, I also have a strong longing for the 80s "vibe," where things were abundant and people held hope for the future.
The Multifaceted Nature of Art and Society
──On the other hand, the 80s and 90s were an era where gender roles were strict. Are there points you are conscious of regarding changes in Japan's social structure?
I want to be an existence that breaks stereotypes. I do business as well as art, and I am also a mother to children. I am conscious of showing a multifaceted way of life while relying on various people for each aspect.
Political correctness has progressed in the West over the last 10 years. Japan has not yet reached that level, but on the other hand, there are aspects where division has arisen because of the pursuit of social justice. Under these circumstances, people probably hold completely different truths and conflict or clash with each other. I think we cannot approach each other unless we take a step further. I feel that I must express multifaceted aspects in a complex way in every respect.
For example, the movie "Barbie" is very multifaceted. Barbie has parts that have empowered girls, but also a history of imposing beauty standards, and it is an excellent work where Mattel acknowledged that themselves while turning it into a comedy. It is sparkly but also has a slightly dark side, and that is expressed with beautiful visuals. I want to create things like that too.
──I think the greatest charm of art is precisely being able to show multifacetedness that cannot be expressed through journalism or politics.
That's right. It is said that we are now in the era of post-truth, but when generative AI becomes commonplace, I think an era will come where everyone can generate the content they want to see themselves. Then deepfakes will also circulate, and in the flood of information, a day might come when a "Star Wars" fan generates and watches Episode 100 (........) themselves. Even in such an era, will we still watch the news?
Videos of battlefields are circulating now, but we cannot actually verify them ourselves. This video might be a fake, but eventually we might stop even caring. I feel it's better to know that things are multifaceted and that truth is different for each person for when that time comes.
As an Artist, As a Mother
──Ms. Kusano, you experienced childbirth in your early 20s. What are your thoughts on childcare, art, and life?
I think if I didn't have children, I probably wouldn't have gotten this into NFT art. I strongly wanted children while I was young, so having children was a priority. Within that, I came to the idea that it would be better to experience child-rearing during my student days when I had time. People asked if giving birth at 22 was too early, but on the other hand, everyone starts talking about marriage when they turn 25. I wonder what the difference in those three years is.
My second child was born three years ago. Child-rearing is of course hard, but there are many ideas to be gained by having someone two or three decades younger than me in the house. I was able to gain many insights especially about the metaverse while talking with my son.
My son, who was 8 years old at the time of production, was also very quick to understand NFT art. He had developed a sense of market prices through trading Pokemon cards, so he understood through experience that everything has liquidity.
──In this day and age, more people are cautious about having children, but sometimes you can't move forward unless you take a challenge.
That's right. Since I was a child, my strengths and weaknesses in studying were uneven, and I realized early on that I should stop spending time trying to make things I'm bad at into things I'm good at. I'm relatively good at working while raising children, and I had the courage to rely on others, so I think I was able to commit to it.
The Source of a Collaboration-Oriented Mindset
──Ms. Kusano, you have collaborated with various people so far. Did you consciously choose that style?
I am the type of person who, in order to realize the world I want to express as an artist, thinks about teaming up with people who are good at that field to make better works rather than just moving my own hands. And I prefer having elements that I cannot predict myself. AI and generative art also have that aspect, incorporating unexpected energy from collaboration with machines.
This collaborative temperament was triggered by meeting Sputniko! during my student days. When we met, I told her I admired the magical girls of 80s special effects, and she suggested, "Why not make that world into a video?" But I didn't have the skills for video or songwriting. When I said that, she advised me, "If you have a clear idea of what you want to make, you should just team up with people who can do it."
From those words, I ended up starting a band called Satellite Young. In this activity, I worked on making T-shirts, deciding on CD jacket designs, and shooting music videos rather than music. I began to feel the charm of production through collaboration with creators.
──Why did you choose Keio's SFC instead of an art university?
Because I wanted to acquire business skills so as not to struggle economically as an artist, and because there were many things I wanted to do. SFC was interdisciplinary, and I could learn design and entrepreneurship while learning programming. The teachers were all people active in society.
There were unique people who entered SFC through AO admissions, excellent people who entered through general admissions, people from the multicultural New York Academy, and international students, so there was a diversity where we stimulated each other. Some were starting businesses, and some were publishing novels. I was truly stimulated by an environment where it was normal for everyone to be doing something while being a student.
──I want that kind of spirit at Geidai too.
I have been engaged in creative activities in various forms, such as making music and installations, but in 2023, I began releasing works under my own name in earnest within the context of fine art. As I exhibited overseas and interacted with local artists, I became more conscious of self-branding.
I came to think that my profile, which I had been writing somewhat casually until then, needed objectivity to easily catch the eye of curators, and I now consider building relationships with collectors to be an important skill as an artist.
Conversely, if you can do that, you can continue to make the works you like or larger works. I hope that people who want to engage in expressive activities will also turn their awareness to such things, gain freedom in production, and that everyone will be happy.
──I look forward to you opening up new expressions in the future. Thank you very much.
(Recorded online on February 26, 2024)
*Affiliations and job titles are as of the time of publication.