Keio University

George Wada: Producing the Mega-Hit "SPY×FAMILY"

Participant Profile

  • George Wada

    Other : Animation ProducerOther : President and CEO, WIT STUDIO, Inc.Faculty of Law Graduated

    Keio University alumni (2001, Faculty of Law). Joined Production I.G, Inc. in 2005 (current President). Established WIT STUDIO, Inc. in 2012. Produced the anime "Attack on Titan" in 2013.

    George Wada

    Other : Animation ProducerOther : President and CEO, WIT STUDIO, Inc.Faculty of Law Graduated

    Keio University alumni (2001, Faculty of Law). Joined Production I.G, Inc. in 2005 (current President). Established WIT STUDIO, Inc. in 2012. Produced the anime "Attack on Titan" in 2013.

  • Interviewer: Shunichiro Ishikawa

    Other : Honorary Teacher / CouncilorOther : Film Producer

    Interviewer: Shunichiro Ishikawa

    Other : Honorary Teacher / CouncilorOther : Film Producer

2024/02/15

"SPY×FAMILY" Even at Convenience Stores

── On December 22, "SPY×FAMILY CODE: White" was released in theaters. It is incredibly popular, with various product collaborations at convenience stores. I hear advance ticket sales have been amazing as well.

Wada

I am very grateful. The moment I truly felt its popularity was seeing the merchandise expand even to daily necessities at convenience stores. Seeing it become cup noodles and enter people's daily lives made me realize it has become a national phenomenon.

── You were born in 1978. What kind of anime did you watch in the 80s and 90s?

Wada

Originally, my parents had a big influence, and I watched many Disney and Ghibli films. Also, during elementary school, I took piano lessons, but I hated going. I remember my mother taking me there by saying, "I'll buy you 'Weekly Shonen Jump,' so let's go to piano" (laughs). So, I'd say Shonen Jump works, Ghibli, and Disney.

── That's very normal (laughs). How about when you reached high school and university?

Wada

I watched "Neon Genesis Evangelion" right when I was a university student. Renting and watching works like "Neon Genesis Evangelion," "GHOST IN THE SHELL," and "Mobile Police Patlabor: The Movie" repeatedly at TSUTAYA was what triggered my return to anime.

I watched all of Director Mamoru Oshii's works, as well as everything by Director Hideaki Anno and Director Hayao Miyazaki.

── But after graduating from university, you initially took a job at a foreign IT company, right?

Wada

At the time, it was the IT bubble originating from America, and I admired the idea of joining a foreign consulting or IT firm. I wanted to work for an American company, so I joined the Japanese subsidiary of a foreign firm.

The Trigger for Entering the Anime Industry

── After working there for four years, you changed jobs and finally entered the anime industry (laughs). What was the major turning point?

Wada

The trigger was participating in the "Content Creation Science Industry-Academia Collaboration Education Program," a course primarily for working professionals led by the University of Tokyo's Interfaculty Initiative in Information Studies. In this course, many people from entertainment companies were invited as guest lecturers, and I was able to hear them speak directly.

One of the central figures of that course was Professor Yasuki Hamano, who was an outside auditor for Production I.G (hereafter I.G) at the time. Through Professor Hamano's introduction, I met Mitsuhisa Ishikawa (current Chairman of I.G), who came as a lecturer. Meeting them led me to join I.G.

── Did you join I.G because they told you to be a producer?

Wada

Initially, I started as the person in charge of the internal website. Managing an internal website is a job you can't do without interacting with key members of the company. I still think it was great that this job allowed me to build connections with the main people within I.G.

After that, as a result of doing everything I could at I.G, I was fortunately recommended by those around me to become an assistant producer.

── I think a producer's primary job is to gather money and people, but have you ever drawn manga yourself, Mr. Wada?

Wada

Never. Because of that, I conversely have immense respect for creators, seeing them as people who do things I cannot. Therefore, I decided to prepare the environment by gathering money and people and starting a company. I felt that creating an environment where creators can thrive consistently was what I could do.

Since it's something I can't do myself, I've clearly divided the roles, and I take pride in the work I do now.

To the Theatrical Film at "Maximum Speed"

── "SPY×FAMILY" started as a serialized digital release on the manga app "Shonen Jump+," became paper-based after gaining traction, and has sold over 30 million copies of the comics. Then it was adapted into an anime; at what point did the offer come?

Wada

At the time, the discussion for anime adaptations from "Shonen Jump+" used an open competition format. "SPY×FAMILY" was also adapted through a competition where we presented how we wanted to develop it, and that was selected.

── I see. WIT STUDIO and CloverWorks acted as the two main production companies, producing a total of 25 episodes for the TV version between April and December 2022. How did you divide the work between the two companies?

Wada

Currently, the cycle of animation consumption is becoming shorter and shorter, requiring speed and timing. Within that, having two cours of a TV series in 2022, followed by one cour and a theatrical film the next year, is, I think, the fastest possible pace.

Being conscious of speed was part of the project concept from the beginning. In the era of digital distribution like "Shonen Jump+," where transitions happen faster and faster, the concept was to "be conscious of speed if it becomes a hit," whereas it usually takes four or five years to reach a theatrical release.

The division of production companies was simple: for the first TV series, we split it into odd and even episodes. For the second year, we organized it so that CloverWorks mainly handled the TV series and WIT STUDIO handled the theatrical film.

── The theatrical film is one of the goals of this project, isn't it? I heard that in the old days of cel animation, they worked without any rest. How long does it take to make a 30-minute program with today's computer-based animation?

Wada

As a rough guide, completing the script takes two months. Storyboarding takes about two months, making it four months so far. The remaining animation takes four to six months, so you can think of it as roughly nine months.

However, this is the pace of WIT STUDIO. Among the hundreds of animation studios in Japan, there are certainly companies that produce with different philosophies. It depends on the policy and values regarding what to spend time and people on.

── So WIT STUDIO chooses this way of making things.

Wada

Yes. But the animation industry as a whole has really changed compared to the past. Now, it is fundamental to keep overtime within 45 hours per month. We are becoming mature companies. We take proper holidays and weekends. After all, we are a major subsidiary of a listed company, IG Port.

── Furthermore, WIT STUDIO is training creators in-house. Even if the people you train might go to other companies, you want to be a company that leads the anime industry, don't you?

Wada

That's right. That has become a truly massive trend now. With high demand and the supply side unable to keep up, ultimately, "people" are what matter.

For companies of a certain scale, everyone has realized that training is the top priority.

To Global Streaming Platforms

── The current TV Tokyo broadcast is in the Saturday 23:00 slot. Looking at real-time ratings, individual ratings are about 2–3%, and household ratings are 7–8%. Those are amazing numbers.

Wada

It feels like, "I can't believe we've come this far."

── Why was it TV Tokyo instead of another station?

Wada

TV Tokyo had done "NARUTO," so they had expertise and relationships regarding late-night and Jump anime, and they had been actively working on animation from an early stage.

── On the other hand, the number of people watching anime via streaming is overwhelmingly higher. I watched it on Hulu, and even though Hulu is affiliated with Nippon TV, all episodes are available. Is this thanks to TV Tokyo or Hulu? (laughs)

Wada

Isn't it thanks to the anime fans? (laughs). There is a strong demand to watch it. We have several strategies for that, but since "SPY×FAMILY" takes an omnidirectional strategy, we don't let a single streaming platform have exclusivity.

While it won't air on other terrestrial stations, we are doing everything else omnidirectionally.

── How many streaming services are there now?

Wada

Too many to count. The platforms carrying the "SPY×FAMILY" TV anime probably account for over 90% of animation streaming platforms worldwide. Representative Japanese anime like "Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba" are the same.

── However, the contract WIT STUDIO has with streaming platformers isn't a pay-per-view type where you get a certain amount every time it's watched, right?

Wada

That's right. The reality is that actual viewership numbers are not disclosed by streaming platforms. This was one reason why Hollywood went on strike—platformers don't disclose data.

We share that same feeling. Since some kind of settlement was reached between Hollywood and the platformers this time, I expect the platformers to present some kind of response to the creators as well.

I want everyone to have the perspective that the Hollywood strike is connected to the front lines of Japanese anime production. They are fighting to protect visual culture, and that connects to us too.

A Worldview to Cherish

── I'd also like to ask about technical aspects. In manga, you might use a double-page spread for a single image to create a big impact.
Anime has a fixed screen size; how do you digest the original manga?

Wada

Manga has various techniques like paneling or double-page spreads. In contrast, while anime has a fixed screen size, it has various means like "ma" (timing/pacing), sound, music, and the acting of voice actors.

The scriptwriter deciphers the manga and turns it into words, and the storyboard organizes that into animation. How to express the intention of the original manga or the impact received from it is exactly where the skills of our anime team are tested. This is the part that changes depending on which company makes it and which creators do it.

── So far, the "SPY×FAMILY" TV anime follows Tatsuya Endo's original work almost faithfully. Do you ever surpass the original?

Wada

It depends on the situation of the work, but the production team for the "SPY×FAMILY" TV anime intends not to do that.

Since works loved across generations like "Detective Conan" and "Doraemon" already exist, we have to raise the quality another level and construct it as a unique worldview to differentiate it.

Something that feels like a watered-down version of the original manga will be ignored by today's teenagers who aren't necessarily anime fans. People around the world can tell the quality of anime, so such TV series aren't watched globally.

On the other hand, for the "SPY×FAMILY" TV anime and "Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba," we intentionally raised the quality and built the worldview together with the original authors to make them works that people all over the world watch.

If the position of anime studios were weak like in the old days, these discussions might not have happened, but now the anime business has changed into a character business with a global perspective, not just domestic. The point of emphasis in the competition has changed.

Visuals Making Heavy Use of CG

── I see. The scene in the anime where fireworks go off over a ship was stunningly beautiful, but that was CG, right? CG must cost more money.

Wada

Yes. We spend money and time on those parts. Since we create a significant portion using a combination with CG, I feel it's becoming closer to Hollywood movies.

We meticulously create the storyboards, decide first what to make with CG, and then think about what the hand-drawn animation will do in that order.

── Also, when two people are talking in a scene, the focus is on the foreground while the background is intentionally blurred, and the focus shifts just like a cut in a live-action film. That's a directorial choice, isn't it?

Wada

It is. In the stage following the script, the storyboard is drawn including the direction, so all such intentions are already established on the storyboard.

── Even in Season 1, the music for the opening and ending changes between the first and second cours. Instead of always having the same song like "Doraemon" or "Sazae-san," is the intention of changing them to collaborate with various musicians so that everyone benefits?

Wada

Yes. As you say, for a while, the method for anime songs was "'Doraemon' is this song," but now, short-form content with music attracts people in their teens and 20s.

For example, YOASOBI sang "Idol" in "Oshi no Ko," which got over 100 million views on YouTube and hit number one on the Billboard Global Chart. When Japanese animation spreads worldwide, the combination of music and visuals gets a lot of attention.

In the form of a collaboration, it reaches fans of Gen Hoshino, for example, and it's also perceived as a major work because it's an anime Gen Hoshino is singing for. It feels like we are giving an impact to the market and creating a "Buzz."

── The opening and ending titles are also made by special creators. The Season 2 opening was particularly memorable.

Wada

The person who made this opening is Masaaki Yuasa, an animated film director who has won awards at the Annecy International Animation Film Festival and elsewhere. I thought it was a wonderful opening that captured one facet of the essence of "SPY×FAMILY."

── For the theatrical film, you wrote an original script and made everything new in a way that's different from the original manga, right?

Wada

Yes, I think we were able to achieve the best form we initially envisioned. I intended to make the theatrical film with an original script if we were going to do it from the start.

I believe things watched in a movie theater are different, so I hope people will go see it.

── I first met you in 2016 at the wrap party for "Summer Blooms" (Directed by Ryutaro Nakagawa [Keio University alumni], winner of the FIPRESCI Prize at the Moscow International Film Festival). We were both producers then; do you have plans to focus on live-action again in the future?

Wada

Until now, my involvement in live-action was with the consciousness of participating according to conventional live-action film methods. But from now on, I intend to redefine live-action films in my own way of fighting.

── I'd love to make a movie together again. I look forward to your future success.

(Recorded on December 8, 2023, at WIT STUDIO, Kichijoji)

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